tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post8334895905967693444..comments2024-03-17T10:35:57.286+01:00Comments on Avignon in Photos: Mother & daughtersNathalie H.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/16806509041466785588noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-73784276232318846742011-08-30T20:35:50.866+02:002011-08-30T20:35:50.866+02:00tout à fait d'accord !tout à fait d'accord !Lautrejehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00455139986225190427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-31366835000794620332011-08-30T19:02:02.407+02:002011-08-30T19:02:02.407+02:00I guess this is, more and more, a common sight eve...I guess this is, more and more, a common sight everywhere... Of course I couldn't agree more with you. I truly respect every culture beliefs, but certain things are beyond my understanding.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783877262954668959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-15761252585732901312011-08-26T17:17:12.313+02:002011-08-26T17:17:12.313+02:00Je suis exactement du meme avis...Je suis exactement du meme avis...Caro du Jallouvrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09308035626608340417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-53057258659598496002011-08-26T03:38:30.967+02:002011-08-26T03:38:30.967+02:00In fact I remember quite a famous feminist poster ...In fact I remember quite a famous feminist poster around the mid 1970 s which featured a woman in a burqa as a symbol of confinement. <br />I support women 's right to wear what they want but also feel that as tensions around inequity have grown, the rise of a more political religious militance has seen some younger women adopt the hijab or niqab as a visible political statement. <br /><br />I like also your comment about this modest dressing argument. To he'll with that! If I want to wear a pair of shorts and cropped top, I will ( I won't !!!! Not the top bit anyway) and be damned if anyone should say I shouldn't cos "poor unable to control themselves" men might get aroused!!! Supportive men should take this argument on and tell oth men to stop blaming women for their own problems. <br /><br />I have known quite a lot of girls who wear a hijab - taught them. Some claim they do it entirely of their own fre will, others claim it is just too hard to "buck the system" in their communities. Others are adamant they won't wear them & it's individual choice.<br /><br />Many discussion points!Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06459567597804197579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-36773590716161352682011-08-22T18:41:51.366+02:002011-08-22T18:41:51.366+02:00Rocket - yes I was there in 1977 and veiled women ...Rocket - yes I was there in 1977 and veiled women were unheard of back then. The women's lib flag was flying high and I couldn't imagine a woman wanting to cover herself voluntarily (I'm still having difficulty with that).nathaliehttp://avignon-in-photos.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-61683803662315290072011-08-20T18:05:07.158+02:002011-08-20T18:05:07.158+02:00"What upsets me is that in the past 10 years ..."What upsets me is that in the past 10 years we've seen Muslim women in France go from wearing regular Western clothes to full cloacks and/or veils."<br /><br />You should have been here in 1977 when I arrived. There were very few veiled women as I remember not only in France but in Europe. The veiled women were the rich wives of Arab businessmen and you would see them in Geneva and London around the big hotels.<br /><br />Yes, life is changing in Europe.Rocketnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-62524706725071768582011-08-20T08:01:35.864+02:002011-08-20T08:01:35.864+02:00It's a very powerful shot. I have much the sa...It's a very powerful shot. I have much the same reaction as you. There are many other ways of dressing modestly.<br />I am genuinely puzzled by why men must be protected from the inflamatory sight of anything suggesting that a woman has a human body. Why are women not provoked to dangerous levels of arousal by the sight of a man in shorts (thinking here of most British men in shorts, complete with sandals and brown ankle socks - ewwww!), or the outline of a man's body in a suit? Why is it disrespectful of a deity for it to be acknowledged that a woman has a body, but not a man?Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11269887100694066103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-35986717332968046892011-08-19T08:50:17.267+02:002011-08-19T08:50:17.267+02:00Nuns AND MONKS have dedicated their lives to relig...Nuns AND MONKS have dedicated their lives to religion and their uniform is there to signal it to other humans. The uniform applies to males and females alike.<br /><br />Because they often live in a confined environment their dress code changed much more slowly than that of the rest of the population however we've seen many changes in their uniforms in recent times - head covers have become simpler, dresses somewhat shorter etc. Slowly as it is, their dress code moves with the times.<br /><br />What upsets me is that in the past 10 years we've seen Muslim women in France go from wearing regular Western clothes to full cloacks and/or veils. The change goes in the other direction.<br /><br />And who said women should dress modestly so as not to attract men's desires? Men! "Protect yourself against my desires because I'm not strong enough to control myself". That's what it says. <br /><br />Plus we all know that the dress code is only the visible side of a whole system where males dominate the social scene and women are held responsible for all collateral damage (rape is their fault, extra-marital affairs are their fault, etc...)Nathalie H.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16806509041466785588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-20897279046316803732011-08-19T08:42:23.301+02:002011-08-19T08:42:23.301+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nathalie H.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16806509041466785588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-2287552494461822662011-08-18T22:32:32.623+02:002011-08-18T22:32:32.623+02:00Yes Nathalie. Covering one's head and wearing ...Yes Nathalie. Covering one's head and wearing long garments to hide the body is certainly submission to the man.<br /><br />What are your feelings about nuns. The same as Arab women?<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527563/Nuns-prove-God-is-not-figment-of-the-mind.htmlRocketnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-73243216014443672312011-08-18T01:52:35.442+02:002011-08-18T01:52:35.442+02:00Absolutley! I'm amazed that in France or any ...Absolutley! I'm amazed that in France or any other country away from their own, they must still dress this way.<br />VVirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01152464973355194995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-91261570587546482122011-08-17T16:44:42.996+02:002011-08-17T16:44:42.996+02:00Je crains malheureusement qu'on puisse être so...Je crains malheureusement qu'on puisse être soumise ET porter une mini jupe...chrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055264315821739057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-54498965107004886532011-08-17T14:11:24.236+02:002011-08-17T14:11:24.236+02:00By the way, thanks for stopping by my blog... I li...By the way, thanks for stopping by my blog... I live in India. Nice to meet you.Karen Xavierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790701530624516669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-32635038203292906722011-08-17T14:09:11.073+02:002011-08-17T14:09:11.073+02:00Oh My God, I think exactly like you when I see lit...Oh My God, I think exactly like you when I see little girls with their burqa clad mothers. I think of their innocence and wonder about their future... and I shouldn't be saying this, but I'm also thankful that I am not them. Here they look lovely, the two girls with their matching handbags... hope they enjoy their life like this even when they grow older.Karen Xavierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03790701530624516669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-38480675515589428942011-08-17T13:32:28.429+02:002011-08-17T13:32:28.429+02:00... and here is one more person who completely agr...... and here is one more person who completely agrees with you!PeterParishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09694538476960957295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-75867304609621037922011-08-17T09:15:34.365+02:002011-08-17T09:15:34.365+02:00Malheureusement je n'ai pas le temps de lire t...Malheureusement je n'ai pas le temps de lire tous les commentaires, mais je veux dire que je suis complètement d'accord avec toi. On a trop laissé faire ce genre de choses dans ce pays et maintenant il est dur, malgré la loi votée contre la burqa, de les faire évoluer.<br />C'est un véritable enfermement imposé, soit par la religion, soit par le mari.<br />Je crains que les petites filles n'aient pas le choix quand elle vont grandir.<br />Cela vient dans ma ville de campagne aussi. peut-être que bientôt on fera la prière du vendredi dans ses rues.claudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07356955828590617751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-39276385199343688192011-08-17T02:45:36.313+02:002011-08-17T02:45:36.313+02:00Hi again.
In my mind american men and their europ...Hi again.<br /><br />In my mind american men and their european counterparts are in uniform that speak of strict performance of rules and regulations. Yes the suit and the jackets are like uniforms and the tie is the noose.hahahahahahahahahahahyes suit and jacket.Do they have a choice of what to wear when they are going to work?hahahahahaha ok you can spend a lot of bugs and buy expensive textiles for the suits but then you can buy expensive burqas.<br /><br />I think people usually naturally like to wear what their native country wears because they have been brought up that way.<br /><br />It has been criticized that our teenage fashion models are engaged in pornography.<br /><br />Our pointed shoes are not good for the feet and now men are wearing them hahahahahahah.<br /><br />and I also wonder about our dress in the face of radioactivity trapped by the green house gases. Yes we wear sun protection ointment and a lot of people stay out of the sun but there are so many kids that go out there stripped in the summer and that poses a serious danger of skin cancer.<br /><br />a mother was telling me just the other day that she is so releived that her child is attending a school where uniforms exist. She cringed when she heard her 6 year old son say I want GAP wear.<br /><br />I haven't changed my stance on the burqa. I still believe that if the women are happy -go for it and if they are forced it is sad.<br />it is probably sad that americans are forced to wear clothing to conform.<br /><br />Ah I love Nathalie's debates.<br />cheerio all!miraehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09074095581188053256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-72393152720448949282011-08-17T02:08:19.803+02:002011-08-17T02:08:19.803+02:00I absolutely understand what you are saying, but a...I absolutely understand what you are saying, but also find that some women are content with their role, and with their history. It's a tough one...and all we can do is model and offer options, don't you think? I personally love the storytelling aspect of this photograph...what a great study.Sandy K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05003099025600945272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-12919126774496731592011-08-16T23:54:10.232+02:002011-08-16T23:54:10.232+02:00Entirely in agreement with you... it is a form of ...Entirely in agreement with you... it is a form of uniform which speaks of strict conformance to rules and regulations defined by men, a form of thinking that dates back to well before the dark and middle ages... The notion that women must hide their bodies in public (because they could provoke impure thoughts?) is horrifying to me.Owenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12622587942009516590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-38053999103839016782011-08-16T21:30:16.128+02:002011-08-16T21:30:16.128+02:00Ce ne sont pas des hommes. Ce sont des maîtres. Il...Ce ne sont pas des hommes. Ce sont des maîtres. Ils n'ont pas besoin d'uniforme. La barbe en tient lieu. Maîtres après Dieu.jeandlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12705159774349005122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-73431240210053866602011-08-16T20:13:45.618+02:002011-08-16T20:13:45.618+02:00I am fully with you on this one. I see girls every...I am fully with you on this one. I see girls every day who within a day turn up veiled, but I have never picked up the courage to ask them whether they did it because they wanted to or because they were told to.Anneliesenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-26947859160668579312011-08-16T17:06:43.508+02:002011-08-16T17:06:43.508+02:00Wonderfully expressed. Shedding light and asking q...Wonderfully expressed. Shedding light and asking questions of a troubeling subject.<br /><br />Susansusan jenkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03910351042365289001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-59808708266849230582011-08-16T12:35:26.361+02:002011-08-16T12:35:26.361+02:00Thank you so much for this wonderful blog,,,Michae...Thank you so much for this wonderful blog,,,Michael from CanadaMichael Rowlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154391587810796792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-65638296988282201682011-08-16T12:28:07.251+02:002011-08-16T12:28:07.251+02:00Ce sont des questions très légitimes. Nous commenç...Ce sont des questions très légitimes. Nous commençons à voir ces femmes portant "l'uniforme" de plus en plus ici aussi. Personellement j'ai une réponse bien simplette: c'est une solution de facilité pour ne pas avoir à se poser de questions comme la religion qui l'accompagne. Bien sur une réponse à développer pendant des heures...Thérèsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14354559064351144704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7578502161069698346.post-58520491548258008472011-08-16T12:16:29.160+02:002011-08-16T12:16:29.160+02:00Oui jeandler, nos religieuses prenaient l'unif...Oui jeandler, nos religieuses prenaient l'uniforme pour signifier un engagement religieux fort mais les prêtres et les moines aussi prenaient l'uniforme, et aujourd'hui la grande cornette n'existe plus. L'engagement religieux demeure mais ses signes extérieurs ont évolué.<br /><br />Ce qui me choque ici c'est que les obligations vestimentaires ne concernent que les femmes. Quelles obligations pour les hommes ?nathalie, avignonnoreply@blogger.com